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Don't Believe in Pansexuality by Necromancer-Staff

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'S a load of bull. Regardless of how many genders and gender identities there are, there are only two sexes. Bisexual covers 'em.
Your sexuality is just which sexes you're attracted to. Not why. If you love a person for who they are and not how they look or as well as how they look... erm... congrats on being a decent human being?

I know, stamps like this have been made, I just wanted this specific wording.


And you can disagree all you want, I'm cool with that. C: Beauty of the Internet is that there are lots of different viewpoints, right?

And just a note: Just because I respect your opinion doesn't mean I won't debate with you until the cows come home... or you block me. So voice disagreement at your own risk. :\
I understand and even respect your opinion, even if it's not my own. This is just mine.
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LadyLoriel Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... I learned that pansexuals are "gender blind" but still could be attracted to appearance but mostly personality.
And Bi-sexuals usually have a gender they prefer more so they still see genders unlike pansexuals....

Of course that is just what I learned and can of course be wrong about it.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010
As a bisexual myself, I have to say... nah, I don't have a preference at all. I like the people I like and their gender has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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LadyLoriel Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm bisexual myself and I'm one of those who prefer one gender of the other, and know others that is the same way. But yeah, It's everyone likes who they like in the end no matter what sexuality.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
I know there are bisexuals who prefer one or the other, I was just pointing out that there are some (such as myself) who don't.
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LadyLoriel Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah I know. I guess that what "pansexual" really is is up to the a person him/herself to decide it seems. Especially considering that everyone have their own versions of it clearly.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
Sure, but the "love for love" definition is what EVERYONE who loves does and the "love regardless of gender" is also what everyone who loves does. People don't love a person for their penis/vagina/anything, they LOVE for them. The sexual organs are just one level of attraction that have little to do with LOVE. The "variety of sexual outlets" definition, though... that's its own thing.
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LadyLoriel Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Very true.
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moodyblues Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010  Hobbyist
The first time I heard this term, I thought it meant "sexually attracted to EVERYTHING" since "pan" means "all." So I'm either a huge derp, or the term needs to be a little more specific. (I'm betting on the derp, though.)
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010
No, you're right. One definition of the term is "having a variety of sexual outlets" mhm.
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moodyblues Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010  Hobbyist
Huh. I haven't heard that definition, and it seems like pansexuals insist that they're only interested in consenting adult humans. Shrug?
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
Most do, yeah. 0:
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Sammyton Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010
I always thought that pansexuals were the people who would fuck everything. Trees, mailboxes, your neighbor, your cat, your gramma...

Everything.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010
Depends on your definition. 0:
But yeah, some are!
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JessamineDiane Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
What about being asexual, being romanticaly attracted to no one? That's me.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2010
Then... you're asexual and romantically attracted to no one. It's... not impossible. o0
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JessamineDiane Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Most definately not. I am proof.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2010
I assumed!
But, ah, how does it relate?
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JessamineDiane Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Idk really, but you said that you don't believe in that sexuality so I was wondering... That's all.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010
Nope, I believe in asexuality because it isn't another sexuality trying to sound ~different~
It's just asexuality.
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Green-Glowstickz Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010
So... This sparks my curiosity. I'm not looking for an argument on what's right and what's wrong. I'm must genuinely curious: What are your thought on asexual people? Many times they'll get into a purely non-sexual relationship, loving someone for intelligence, personality, and compatibility alone. Sex or gender identification, vast majority of times, won't play a role.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010
What about asexuality? I believe it's real. It's perfectly possible to not have sexual attraction/desires but still feel romantic attraction. I don't see how this relates. Would you mind elaborating?
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Green-Glowstickz Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010
Oh, I think I actually read your statement wrong and misinterpreted it! I saw it as "There are only two sexes so they have to play a defining role" and "If you love a person for who they are, that's not a sexuality trait. It's being a good person." I completely missed the mark, sorry.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010
Ah, no. But it's all good! Mistakes happen!
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CavyWolfe Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010
asdfsadfsa yes

Here's something else if you didn't know:
-Transgendered are either male or female.
-Intersexs will often have their sex chosen for them at birth by their parents.
-Cross-dressers...goddammit, they can be a variety of things, but are often STRAIGHT MEN WHO DRESS AS WOMEN. They're usually fucking MARRIED and their wives are okay with it.
-Genderless' will often act as either male or female, unless they're asexual.
Fucking pans are so FUCKING STUPID AND USE THESE TERMS SAYING 'OMG WE'RE SO DIFFERENNNNNNNTTTT' WHEN THEY AREN'T YOU FUCKINFGASDGFADSF

HURP DERP Pansexuality is a lie.


anyways I love you :heart:
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
<3

I did know those things! But OMG more people need to know that for real!

Aw, thanks!
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CavyWolfe Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2010
<3~

Oh good! But it's always good to inform people. :lol:
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010
It is always good, I agree!
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blacher Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
If one is suggesting that they can love someone without judging their physical aspects, then that love has VERY little, if nothing to do with their sexuality. I think 'pan-sexuality' is not aptly named.

Pan-love, for all!

If one does desire a sexual relationship, then their sexual preferences are being exposed. Most people fall into a gradient between the two extremes of hetero- or homo-sexual. That is to say, though some may have a determined favourite, we're all a little bi. :3

...how YOU doin'?
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Yep-yep! Exactly! And if someone thinks they can love someone without liking how they look, it's not really love, it's just lust for the personality which is just as bad as lust for the body.

Spread the looooooove!

YES. Exactly! :iconimhappiestplz: Very well-put!

0: I'm doin' great, how are you?
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blacher Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010
Oh, I'm doin' just fiiiiiiiiiiiine ;P

I suppose your suggestion sheds new light on the phrase, "I want to fuck your brains out"... ^^;
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010
I'm glad! :XD:

Oh man it would! :lol: Very clever.
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genkistamps Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Pansexuality is the new speshul snoflake "I'm better than you are" sexuality. I've been talked down to by pansexuals who act like they're the only people on the planet who judge based on personality.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
It is! And I've been talked down to as well. It really bothers me because they're just bisexuals. Really, really snobby bisexuals. :C
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Siluriformes Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010  Student General Artist
I want to ask what you think of this:

Pansexuality (also referred to as omnisexuality) is a sexual orientation, characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire towards people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. (wiki[link])

With that in mind, what you said, "If you love a person for who they are and not how they look", doesn't apply to them necessarily. Also, about "there are only two sexes", you forgot intersex (hermaphroditic). Bisexuality covers only male and female.

I've heard the term "demisexual". Although it is not on wikipedia, I've seen it being used freely around DeviantART in the communities for "alternative" sexual orientations.

This site [link] says:

A demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often in a romantic relationship. The term demisexual comes from the orientation being "halfway between" sexual and asexual. In general, demisexuals are not sexually attracted to anyone of either gender; however, when a demisexual is emotionally connected to (usually in love with) someone else, the demisexual experiences sexual attraction and desire to the same degree as a sexual person, but only towards the specific partner(s). According to Rabger's model, a person who identifies as a demisexual does not experience primary sexual attraction but does experience secondary sexual attraction. In this model, primary sexual attraction is based on outward qualities such as a person's looks, clothes, or personality while secondary sexual attraction is attraction stemming from a connection, usually romantic, or from status or how closely the person is in relationship to the other.

Then there is Asexual, of course.

Asexuality (also known as nonsexuality), in its broadest sense, is the lack of sexual attraction or the lack of interest in and desire for sex. Sometimes, it is considered a lack of a sexual orientation ... Asexuals, while typically lacking in sexual desire for either sex, may engage in purely emotional romantic relationships

On top of all that, I've also noticed through my readings that sexuality is not necessarily based on sex rather than gender.

Sexual orientation describes a pattern of emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to men, women, both genders, neither gender, or another gender. (wiki [link])


P.S. To anyone reading this who is pansexual, demisexual or asexual, would you mind sending me a note or something like it to explain what the term(s) mean to you? Or anyone who is an expert in this field. I have one or two questions.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
In response to the definition of pansexuality:
If you (general 'you' referring to anyone of any sexuality) love somebody, you love their personality and who they are. That's just common sense. Usually you also love how they look. I think it would be a real hit to my self-esteem if my lover only thought my personality is attractive. One problem with the term "pansexuality" is that it basically says that it's wrong to find your lover attractive, which is completely untrue. There's nothing wrong with it in the least, it's part of being "attracted" to your lover. If all you like are looks, it's not love, of course, but if all you like is personality, that isn't love either.
A person doesn't have to be stereotypically "attractive" to have someone be "attracted" to their looks.
And an intersexed person is made up of the male and female sexes (they aren't a new third sex), so a bisexual could be potentially attracted to them. I know I don't, you know, "rule them out."

As for demisexuality, I'd like to direct you to the first paragraph in this well-written comment here.

What do I think about asexuality? I think that an asexual is a person who doesn't experience sexual desires. It's just like the text there says.

In response to the sexual orientation thing: Well actually it is. It's in the word. SEXuality, not GENDERuality. The writer of that Wikipedia article isn't wrong, they're just one of the people who use "sex" and "gender" interchangeably. It's a common mistake. Who you're attracted to CAN be gender-specific. A man could only be sexually attracted to men who identify as male for example, but it's not part of his sexuality, just a preference and he would still be a "homosexual male". It's the same for the less picky. A bisexual female who is attracted to both sexes, and anyone who identifies as any gender, she is still attracted to the male sex and the female sex, so she would be a bisexual.
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Siluriformes Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010  Student General Artist
I don't believe that that is what it implies, but anyway, you're welcome to your own opinion.

Saying that a bisexual person could find an intersex person attractive is similar to saying that a heterosexual or homosexual person might find them attractive. If you are fine with that, then again, that's down you your opinion. I just don't think it's specific enough as I'd imagine many people would not agree that that fits into their sexual orientation.

I don't agree that the writer necessarily interchanged sex and gender, but then again neither of us can really tell what their intentions were (unless you can pick up on something later in the text?).
Substantiate your claim on sexuality and then we can start talking. I know wikipedia is not the best of sources, but if you can find me a good document to back up your point, I'd be grateful for extending my knowledge.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2010
Cool. :)

A heterosexual or homosexual person CAN find them attractive. I think it's rather rude to assume they're incapable of it. o0
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Siluriformes Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010  Student General Artist
I'm not meaning to be rude, only realistic. I don't believe that finding intersex (considering sex only and not gender) attractive is part the definition of heterosexual or homosexual . If one were to work on gender however, rather than sex, then one could argue otherwise. Still, one has to keep in mind the fact that we generally can't decide what we find physically attracted to.

It is because of situations like this that I find terms like pansexual useful. I would like even more terms to exist so that everyone can have something they can fit comfortably into should they wish to.

I personally believe that it is both sex and gender that are important when discussing sexual orientation, although I am no authority on the matter. I'm all for liberal thinking, and am in favour of people finding terms that they feel comfortable in calling themselves.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010
Most intersexed people are transgendred/transexual anyway. And even with the ones that aren't, nobody (stright, gay or otherwise) is incapable of falling in love with anyone if they're right for them. Thus hetero/homoflexible. And everyone's bisexual at their very core anyway, most people just tend to lean one way or the other.
And that's true, we CAN'T decide what we're physically attracted to.

No, pansexuality is just bisexuality. There's literally no difference.

Only biological sex/gender decide sexual orientation.
People can call themselves whatever they want, it just won't be their sexual orientation. C:
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Siluriformes Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010  Student General Artist
Eh, I think we have come down to the point where it's just a matter of opinions. I plan to agree to disagree.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010
It's a matter of "facts" and "words mean things" and "pansexuality is bisexuality" but I'm cool with you giving up.
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AlbinoPirat Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010
...Know what's sad?

I've called myself a pansexual all these years, but not until this stamp came along did I realize that it IS a load of bullshit. Must've gotten sexes and genders mixed up, haha.

Who knew you could actually learn something on DA?
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princedirk Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:thumbsup: :heart:
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010
That isn't sad, you just didn't know!
Oh man, I'm SO glad you learned something from my stamp, for reals! : D

Yep, a lot of people mix up sex and gender, it's a common mistake. No worries.
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Vilin-McCavity Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
He may be have used sarcasm in that statement.
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010
It didn't read sarcastic to me AT ALL. The "haha" is a good clue, for one.
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Skuhweer Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
Because I've had this issue brought up before me, uh, before, I'm going to going ahead and say outright that I have a tendency to use the words gender and sex interchangeably, and instead choose to specify between the physical and mental. It's just the way I think of things.

Pansexuality is one of those things I've never quite understood, because of the fact that there are just the two genders, physically, and even on a mental level most people tend to lean toward one gender or the other. I don't like to mix the two, mental and physical, because, in a way, they're vastly different things. But, really, bisexual is a fairly accurate term since, whichever gender a person identifies with, most people are one sex or the other (look! I used them as different words! :la:). :/

So, in short, I totally agree with you. XD
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010
That's just fine, imo.

And I agree with you! Everything you said is just great! :D
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Skuhweer Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you. XD

Late reply is late. o.o
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Necromancer-Staff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010
No problemo!

It's all good. 0:
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